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it's not a win-win for paul ryan. paul ryan loses whichever way he goes. if he doesn't support donald trump, then he's abandoning a lot of members. there will be division inside the republican party. and he'll have the day-to-day responsibilities of managing a house where he's leaving some of his members hanging out to dry politically. if he endorses trump, then he betrays decades of principles, conservative principles, and he's supporting a man who says the republican party in effect is not the conservative party. so it's going to be a tough call for him. donald trump if he gets paul ryan's endorsement, that's a win because he's got the entire republican establishment capitulating to him. if paul ryan doesn't endorse him, he can beat up the republican establishment in washington, d.c., between now and november. so right now there's no doubt donald trump is holding the stronger cards. paul ryan just has to figure out what the least bad solution is. and we're going to continue to follow up on today's big meeting. now less than an hour away. steve kornacki w
it's not a win-win for paul ryan. paul ryan loses whichever way he goes. if he doesn't support donald trump, then he's abandoning a lot of members. there will be division inside the republican party. and he'll have the day-to-day responsibilities of managing a house where he's leaving some of his members hanging out to dry politically. if he endorses trump, then he betrays decades of principles, conservative principles, and he's supporting a man who says the republican party in effect is not...
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i'm paul ryan. for every nasty tweet you tweeted out bt me over six months, i'm going to tell the rules committee to kill your stupid, idiotic bills every day. they are never going to see the light of day. maybe you can find somebody -- >> you're sounding like donald. >> whoever the rules committee chairman is will say that to donald trump. gu go ahead, show me how powerful you are. >> you're using the very system that has lied to the base, that has cheated the american public, that has -- >> i have a great idea, donald. why don't you hold one of those big rallies. ville dinner with my rules committee chairman. >> you play the washington inside game and i play the outside game. guess what happens when you're up for reelection? >> your bills don't pass. >> it doesn't matter. i'll get the congress. >> i have been elected in jainsville now since 1998. democrats have been elected president in my district. i'm going to keep winning. >> you're not going to keep winning. >> we gerrymandered the system so b
i'm paul ryan. for every nasty tweet you tweeted out bt me over six months, i'm going to tell the rules committee to kill your stupid, idiotic bills every day. they are never going to see the light of day. maybe you can find somebody -- >> you're sounding like donald. >> whoever the rules committee chairman is will say that to donald trump. gu go ahead, show me how powerful you are. >> you're using the very system that has lied to the base, that has cheated the american...
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top democrat working alongside paul ryan. obviously you guys have a very different view of where the budget should go. could you boil it down for our viewers that still haven't decided who they're going to vote for, what is your biggest concern with paul ryan's budget, with paul ryan's vision, of where washington should go over the next four years? >> because the choice the ryan budget makes and now the ryan/romney budget makes, is to provide another round of big tax breaks for folks at the very high end of the income scale under this failed economic trickle down theory that we know didn't work because at the end of the bush administration we actually had a net loss of private sector jobs. i think what the american people are going to understand is that it's not only that those tax cuts didn't do any good, it's that they come at the expense of everyone and everything else because if you're serious about long-term deficit reduction, first of all you would have a balanced plan that dealt with not just cuts but also revenue, but
top democrat working alongside paul ryan. obviously you guys have a very different view of where the budget should go. could you boil it down for our viewers that still haven't decided who they're going to vote for, what is your biggest concern with paul ryan's budget, with paul ryan's vision, of where washington should go over the next four years? >> because the choice the ryan budget makes and now the ryan/romney budget makes, is to provide another round of big tax breaks for folks at...
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paul ryan. >> what do you think of that? do you believe he did it? he took a chance. >> you know what, he did. >> he took a chance. >> he did. it was bold. i will say that. >> it was bold. >> nbc news political director chuck todd was the first to break the story late friday night into saturday morning and a few hours later in norfolk, virginia, mitt romney introduced the man many conservatives have been publicly pushing for the chairman of the house budget committee, paul ryan. the two shared the stage sunday in front of a big, high-energy crowd in highport, north carolina. capped off the weekend at a rally in ryan's home state of wisconsin in front of a crowd of nearly 10,000 people. a visibly emotional paul ryan thanked the people for their support but quickly went on to attack against president obama's policies. >> we are at that proverbial fork in the road in america. the president came into office with so much hope offering so much change. he got the power he wanted. he got his party in co
paul ryan. >> what do you think of that? do you believe he did it? he took a chance. >> you know what, he did. >> he took a chance. >> he did. it was bold. i will say that. >> it was bold. >> nbc news political director chuck todd was the first to break the story late friday night into saturday morning and a few hours later in norfolk, virginia, mitt romney introduced the man many conservatives have been publicly pushing for the chairman of the house budget...
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>> or know paul ryan. >> or know paul ryan. >> i think this is a classic case where both sides of the aisle, people saw what they wanted to see. >> it's so interesting. >> and why is this so important -- i would say based on that, just that one fact there, that's why last night was a win for the obama campaign because go back to 2004. you guys beat john kerry with a guy who was under 50% because you were able to energize your base. you were able to drag out voters. you were able to excite them. >> no question. >> george w. bush never got over 50% until the very end. in this case -- >> and cheney helped. >> cheney helped. you have a president here under 50% in most polls. he needed joe biden to rev up the base, and listening to mika, she makes some great points. if you're the base, biden spoke to you last night. >> listen, it comes down to this 37 democr this. democrats had a reason to cheer. they were able to take themselves off the floor where they had been for the last week. >> they got off the panic button. >> joining us, nbc political director and host of "the daily rundown," chuc
>> or know paul ryan. >> or know paul ryan. >> i think this is a classic case where both sides of the aisle, people saw what they wanted to see. >> it's so interesting. >> and why is this so important -- i would say based on that, just that one fact there, that's why last night was a win for the obama campaign because go back to 2004. you guys beat john kerry with a guy who was under 50% because you were able to energize your base. you were able to drag out voters....
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also, vetting paul ryan. did they vet paul ryan well? did they understand he was cosponsor of this type of bill? did they understand he actually wrote and asked for stimulus money after denouncing stimulus? did they understand that in 2002, he avidly supported president bush's stimulus. doesn't seem to me they paid much attention to any of that. >> i would think on the issue of abortion especially they would look at what his record is, given this has been a tough one for mitt romney. i mean it's been an issue that -- >> impossible one. >> impossible one. issue you know at some point you're going to be asked about. how hidden is this legislation? >> but they probably did, right? what does mitt romney fear when -- in a campaign like this? he doesn't fear particularly that he won't be seen as -- that he'll be seen as moderate on abortion. he fears that the republican right, i'm sorry, will see him as moderate on abortion, that the base, the folks he needs to activate, to turn outs in this election to win a state like ohio, get ads showing h
also, vetting paul ryan. did they vet paul ryan well? did they understand he was cosponsor of this type of bill? did they understand he actually wrote and asked for stimulus money after denouncing stimulus? did they understand that in 2002, he avidly supported president bush's stimulus. doesn't seem to me they paid much attention to any of that. >> i would think on the issue of abortion especially they would look at what his record is, given this has been a tough one for mitt romney. i...
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ryan is facing for 18 years but this town hall was intended for paul ryan but instead andy price came. that was put on by several different high school students that organized the town hall and we asked people who they think of this race. this is what some of them told us. >> actually i'm angry. i'm angry that he doesn't represent me or my city or my community. i feel like when he back pedalled on trump and he said that he was first not in favor of the way that he bullied people and he wasn't -- he doesn't agree with his tweeting and he doesn't agree with this and that and then he turns around and supports him. >> i usually vote and i'm registered republican. >> and you voted for paul ryan?
ryan is facing for 18 years but this town hall was intended for paul ryan but instead andy price came. that was put on by several different high school students that organized the town hall and we asked people who they think of this race. this is what some of them told us. >> actually i'm angry. i'm angry that he doesn't represent me or my city or my community. i feel like when he back pedalled on trump and he said that he was first not in favor of the way that he bullied people and he...
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paul ryan. there's nothing paul ryan said that was offensive. i don't know if you're angling for an interview here or not, but this is pretty straightforward. >> i'm just -- >> this is pretty straightforward. >> i'm just -- >> paul ryan was moving in that direction. >> i'm just answering the question, why did trump do what he did over the weekend. paul ryan went out and announced this without calling, he's the nominee of the party, and ryan says he wants to support him, call him up. >> mark halperin, would you like to make a bet with me? >> yeah? >> i will bet you something very nice that the meeting will end up well and this is just battle lines being drawn to step up the drama. >> i don't -- i never bet on what i cover, but i think i'm right. >> getting a pickup truck. >> at event after event over the weekend, trump said ryan's comments came as a surprise. >> paul ryan, i don't know what happened. i don't know. and he the other day just in a big -- i didn't get paul ryan, i don't know what happened. i don't know what happened and he called me
paul ryan. there's nothing paul ryan said that was offensive. i don't know if you're angling for an interview here or not, but this is pretty straightforward. >> i'm just -- >> this is pretty straightforward. >> i'm just -- >> paul ryan was moving in that direction. >> i'm just answering the question, why did trump do what he did over the weekend. paul ryan went out and announced this without calling, he's the nominee of the party, and ryan says he wants to support...
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and too often, paul ryan did not answer the call of history. >> paul ryan's story is painful one. i was on capitol hill yesterday morning when the news came over people's phones that the announcement was coming. republicans even people who had been with paul ryan that morning in the house gym said they were surprised that it was coming now. in this way. as i look at paul ryan, you know him better than most people, joe, just seems to me this was somebody never really wanted to be speaker. he was reluctant. he had seen what had happened to john boehner. he had seen the basic impossibility of controlling and containing a party that was imploding. he wasn't able to do it. he could never deal with the pressures of his own party. he likes to say his legacy is the tax bill. his legacy, i think will be the $1 trillion deficit we're going to have by 2020, according to the latest projections. what a strange thing for a fiscal conservative to have presided over this ballooning of spending and fiscal policy that most conservatives would reject. but from the beginning this was the reluctant sp
and too often, paul ryan did not answer the call of history. >> paul ryan's story is painful one. i was on capitol hill yesterday morning when the news came over people's phones that the announcement was coming. republicans even people who had been with paul ryan that morning in the house gym said they were surprised that it was coming now. in this way. as i look at paul ryan, you know him better than most people, joe, just seems to me this was somebody never really wanted to be speaker....
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and mitt romney looks better with paul ryan by his side and paul ryan looks a little smaller without mitt romney by his side. they make each other look better together. >> i agree. i'm down in waco, texas on a bus with clinton interviewing him back in '92. he had all these troubles going into the election. and there he was down in -- i go into this three-star hotel and i say who do you think is going to win the election? the guy said "i kind of think those two boys." when i heard that, "those two boys," you don't hear that about democrats down south, "those two boys." when i said there's a comfort level here in a part of the country that hasn't been comfortable in years with civil rights, i said this is going to click. >> i agree they shouldn't have split up. the launch was great. but then did you see what happened next? >> sunday it want important but monday it began to fall apart. romney doesn't like to commit. he doesn't commit mitt romney. that seems to be the problem. >> let's show a clip when he's asked to describe the difference between his view of medicare and his. >> go for
and mitt romney looks better with paul ryan by his side and paul ryan looks a little smaller without mitt romney by his side. they make each other look better together. >> i agree. i'm down in waco, texas on a bus with clinton interviewing him back in '92. he had all these troubles going into the election. and there he was down in -- i go into this three-star hotel and i say who do you think is going to win the election? the guy said "i kind of think those two boys." when i...
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paul ryan second. angry at mitch mcconnell and the republican establishment. >> some of them i think will be really angry at him too. he's promised he's going to win. he ran for the nomination saying he could only be the one to beat her. >> they're stabbing me in the back. how am iupposed to win if paul ryan and republican leaders in washington keep standing me in the back. >> some will buy it. >> there's an element to this and it refueled itself yesterday in pennsylvania with donald trump. he's more dangerous than dynamite. >> look at those fans. >> it fits into what mark is saying. we're going to be left -- the carnage after this election, we'll be left with i don't know what percentage. 30%, 35% out there who will be more than angry. they'll be convinced that as he points out consistently now the election is rigged. it's fixed. it's against him and thus it's against you. you're going to have a permanent class, 30%, 35% of the people so bitter and so angry -- >> we have it now. >> they're going to ha
paul ryan second. angry at mitch mcconnell and the republican establishment. >> some of them i think will be really angry at him too. he's promised he's going to win. he ran for the nomination saying he could only be the one to beat her. >> they're stabbing me in the back. how am iupposed to win if paul ryan and republican leaders in washington keep standing me in the back. >> some will buy it. >> there's an element to this and it refueled itself yesterday in...
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my point is they had paul ryan call him because paul ryan really needs to separate himself from this guy because he co-sponsored that legislation. never said what you said. never. >> you're right. he's not dumb enough to say something like that. whether he believes the biological thing is not the point. they co-sponsored legislation that tried to define rape. it wasn't they tried to outlaw abortion in all cases of rape. they tried to carve out and make a distinction between some other form of rape and something they called forceable rape. for most women rape is rape. i'm sure -- >> the plit clal problematic thing for ryan was they co-sponsored a bill that tried to make a distinction between two different kinds of rape. >> what year was that? >> i don't know. >> it was a while back, right? >> come on, joe, don't. >> i'm asking a legitimate question, mika, just relax! >> people at the table right now will tell you you don't want to go there. >> i don't want to know what year this bill was sponsored? >> no. >> i'm asking what year the bill was sponsored. when did the jets win the super
my point is they had paul ryan call him because paul ryan really needs to separate himself from this guy because he co-sponsored that legislation. never said what you said. never. >> you're right. he's not dumb enough to say something like that. whether he believes the biological thing is not the point. they co-sponsored legislation that tried to define rape. it wasn't they tried to outlaw abortion in all cases of rape. they tried to carve out and make a distinction between some other...
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ryan. >> it's not him. >> look at paul ryan. >> look at paul ryan. obviously this means it's not paul ryan. what do you think? >> i think there's so much we don't know about this process that is striking, but i do think that what you're talking about which is ultimately what is governor romney want to say with this pick. >> right. >> first presidential level decision what does he want to communicate to voters, try to re-energize the campaign which any vp pick does, i think for all of the calculations that you could have, i've been looking at the past couple cycles and thinking about this, it's really about dealing with some perceived weakness you have as a candidate. i don't think it goes back to, you know, 1960 and putting lbj on the ticket in terms of can i get ohio? i think it's more about where do i have a weak side and what can i do to reinforce that? president obama, he needed that gravitas on the world stage he was inexperienced, joe biden helped shore that up. the same is true with cheney for president bush. i think that ultimately whats give
ryan. >> it's not him. >> look at paul ryan. >> look at paul ryan. obviously this means it's not paul ryan. what do you think? >> i think there's so much we don't know about this process that is striking, but i do think that what you're talking about which is ultimately what is governor romney want to say with this pick. >> right. >> first presidential level decision what does he want to communicate to voters, try to re-energize the campaign which any vp pick...
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that's what paul ryan offers. an unwavering conservative viewpoint and a willingness to find common ground. my hope is in 2013 we start solving problems rather than winning debate problems. >> governor, you have spoken about the need to open out the party, particularly to reach out to minorities. how many party leaders in tampa have said, we have marco rubio, mel martinez. we have already done that. is it enough? >> we have brian sandoval, marco rubio, ted cruz. we have a lot of great leaders. but this has to be a long-term effort to change the tone. doesn't mean changing philosophies. if we want to be -- if conservatives want to be the governing philosophy for the next generation we have to attract the next generation of voters. demography is important. tone matters. it's a gateway. if you say we want your vote but you can't join the team, we can't have that. >> thank you so much. >> great to see you. don't party too much down there. >> we're at a bar. what do you expect? >> by the way, the question to jeb was ev
that's what paul ryan offers. an unwavering conservative viewpoint and a willingness to find common ground. my hope is in 2013 we start solving problems rather than winning debate problems. >> governor, you have spoken about the need to open out the party, particularly to reach out to minorities. how many party leaders in tampa have said, we have marco rubio, mel martinez. we have already done that. is it enough? >> we have brian sandoval, marco rubio, ted cruz. we have a lot of...
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he is in it for paul ryan. >> that is paul ryan's primary opponent, as mr. ryan's long, hot summers continues. donald trump will not endorse ryan. now his primary challenger is starting to apply some pressure. the "washington post's" robert costa joins us from our kenosha bureau. >> a good bureau. >> we'll be right back. my experience with usaa is awesome. homeowners insurance life insurance automobile insurance i spent 20 years active duty they still refer to me as "gunnery sergeant" when i call being a usaa member because of my service in the military to pass that on to my kids something that makes me happy my name is roger zapata and i'm a usaa member for life. usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. introduces new, easy-to-swallow tablets. so now, there are more ways, for more people... to experience... complete protection from frequent heartburn. nexium 24hr. the easy-to-swallow tablet is here. [baby talk] [child giggling] child: look, ma. no hands. children: "i", "j", "k"... [bi
he is in it for paul ryan. >> that is paul ryan's primary opponent, as mr. ryan's long, hot summers continues. donald trump will not endorse ryan. now his primary challenger is starting to apply some pressure. the "washington post's" robert costa joins us from our kenosha bureau. >> a good bureau. >> we'll be right back. my experience with usaa is awesome. homeowners insurance life insurance automobile insurance i spent 20 years active duty they still refer to me as...
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the people love paul ryan. romney i think is going to have to win over not just the country but the people in the room want to hear from him in a way that will affect how the speech is received at home. the other thing is, often the romney campaign in boston will look at what we say here in the media convention wisdom is and say you don't get it. you're talking about something not relevant. the conventional wisdom is romney has to give the best speech he's ever given by far. can't just be a good speech. most people around governor romney dispute that. you guys are building it up. i think in this case they may be wrong. they're underestimating the significance that this moment will have for him until the debates the one time he has the platform and as se said the president's convention comes on the heels of this one. he needs a speech that is so good people are still talking about it by the time the president's speech. >> what would that entail? how does mitt romney turn himself into ronald reagan, a picture of
the people love paul ryan. romney i think is going to have to win over not just the country but the people in the room want to hear from him in a way that will affect how the speech is received at home. the other thing is, often the romney campaign in boston will look at what we say here in the media convention wisdom is and say you don't get it. you're talking about something not relevant. the conventional wisdom is romney has to give the best speech he's ever given by far. can't just be a...
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i think paul ryan does. i think this thing in my state it is collapsing, we're down to single insurer and rates go up 69% next year. to me that's not success. >> definitely needs to be fixed. big picture and so many things we want to ask you, josh, how important and how much impact to advisers around the president have in a process lining this and overall. >> i think when you have a president like the current one that isn't too focus kd on the details, i think even his supporters would say they about him, that the influence of your advisers lose even larger and has even more influence on somebody who is when it comes to health care policy and the details, pretty much a blank slate. i think the other thing you're relying on advisers to do is provide intelligence. clearly an intelligence break down inside the white house in terms of understanding what is it that moderate republicans would support. what is it that conservative republicans would support. is there a comprehensive strategy that even considers whet
i think paul ryan does. i think this thing in my state it is collapsing, we're down to single insurer and rates go up 69% next year. to me that's not success. >> definitely needs to be fixed. big picture and so many things we want to ask you, josh, how important and how much impact to advisers around the president have in a process lining this and overall. >> i think when you have a president like the current one that isn't too focus kd on the details, i think even his supporters...
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paul ryan seems to be a great candidate. paul ryan says he's not going to do it. you asked one of the top guys in the freedom caucus in the last hour, whether john boehner would be acceptable in the interim, his answer was? >> no. like marcel marceau in a silent movement. >> can anybody succeed at this job is this job right now such given the divisions in the party, is this setting somebody up to fail, whoever it is? >> no, i don't think so. >> you actually think this is a job that can be done? >> i stand as one if you have the right leader, if you have somebody who you don't think it doing the bidding on k street, lobbyists, people they go out and drink with and hang out with, so much has to do with trust. i'm not knocking john boehner, i like him as a person, i can tell you sitting as a seat in these people in the freedom caucus, so much of it has to do with the person asking me to make a difficult vote. is this person on my side or is this person more interested in staying in power? >> do you think it's personal? >> i think it is personal to john boehner, kevin
paul ryan seems to be a great candidate. paul ryan says he's not going to do it. you asked one of the top guys in the freedom caucus in the last hour, whether john boehner would be acceptable in the interim, his answer was? >> no. like marcel marceau in a silent movement. >> can anybody succeed at this job is this job right now such given the divisions in the party, is this setting somebody up to fail, whoever it is? >> no, i don't think so. >> you actually think this is...
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where they are on paul ryan. the concept is good. >> by the way, that's a great way to put it. >> i've heard you say that. >> and i have a big difference of opinion, especially on domestic discretionary spending from the republicans, and i've been very blunt about that. i also, again, i don't agree with the block grants on medicaid. i disagree with that. but i admire what paul ryan did. he had guts and my biggest problem here is newt gingrich goes on "meet the press" and calls him a radical and accuses him of social engineering. we've got nancy pelosi for that. >> hold on a second. >> we do. nancy pelosi will tell you that about paul ryan's budget. we don't need newt for that, especially a guy that runs around on fox news for a decade telling ever how conservative he is. it's something about running for president as a conservative. they get out there and suddenly, they're not small. they will say i'll a conservative, i'm pro life and pro gun and i'm pro this and that. but they are also pro big government. they ar
where they are on paul ryan. the concept is good. >> by the way, that's a great way to put it. >> i've heard you say that. >> and i have a big difference of opinion, especially on domestic discretionary spending from the republicans, and i've been very blunt about that. i also, again, i don't agree with the block grants on medicaid. i disagree with that. but i admire what paul ryan did. he had guts and my biggest problem here is newt gingrich goes on "meet the press"...
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paul ryan. >> we've talked -- >> i was uncomfortable. >> well, that's -- there's a reason for that. >> we've talked about whether or not sometimes mitt romney feels like he's reading from a conservative script. whether he's not exactly fluent in the tenants of conservative philosophy. paul ryan does not have that problem. i'm sure he'll give a good domestic speech. as a guy that studies foreign policy closely if we'll hear anything at all about the war in afghanistan. we haven't heard much at all. there was some lip service paid. there is still a war going on? >> paul will talk a little bit about foreign policy tonight, but it's primarily a speech about where we are in the economy, and how we arrived here and where we can go. he does a pretty thorough job in laying out the argument. it is a concrete presentation of the argument and the argument is largely centered around the economy. >> is governor romney going to talk about afghanistan. >> i'm not going to preview governor romney's speech. i'll
paul ryan. >> we've talked -- >> i was uncomfortable. >> well, that's -- there's a reason for that. >> we've talked about whether or not sometimes mitt romney feels like he's reading from a conservative script. whether he's not exactly fluent in the tenants of conservative philosophy. paul ryan does not have that problem. i'm sure he'll give a good domestic speech. as a guy that studies foreign policy closely if we'll hear anything at all about the war in afghanistan. we...
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he's not paul ryan. just imagine what a chris christie standing up saying, i got behind this guy because i believed that he understood what working class voters across new jersey and america -- what they weren't hearing from the republican leaders. i got behind him for the right reasons, pu you know what, he's not following through on his commitment to me or to the republican voters and i can't be behind him u. >> it's okay to do that. >> if somebody would do that, you talked about a shot in the arm for anybody politically. >> joe, i wanted to go back to something donny deutsch said. he was talking about the politicians fearing donald trump. they don't fear donald trump. donald trump is not the fear factor. it's the base of support. it's the 14 million voters he's brought out. it's how that number of activists between now and the convention. and they haven't figured out how to distance themselves from trump and bring those voters in to something different in another way. >> we're for you, we're just not
he's not paul ryan. just imagine what a chris christie standing up saying, i got behind this guy because i believed that he understood what working class voters across new jersey and america -- what they weren't hearing from the republican leaders. i got behind him for the right reasons, pu you know what, he's not following through on his commitment to me or to the republican voters and i can't be behind him u. >> it's okay to do that. >> if somebody would do that, you talked about...
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you guys have been very critical of the paul ryan budget calling it the ryan/romney budget. do you believe that paul ryan is, in fact, motivated by a devier to balance the budget, to cut def set, debt, or do you really believe that he is, in fact, out to protect the wealthy? >> i think he has a theory. i like paul ryan. i met him on your set and joe was standing there, we had a great chat. he's an affable guy, a good person. i have no -- i have nothing personal against paul ryan. he is an idea log. he grew up in the think tanks of washington and went to congress and has this theory if we just cut more and more taxes, particularly at the top, that will, you know, propel our economy and the result of it, however, is that you're going to cut back on things that we need to grow like college scholarships for kids, like research and development and like health care for senior citizens and that's not the way forward as far as i'm concerned. i think there's an honest debate to be up, both the romney and ryan programs are very similar in the sense that, you know, romney's proposed $5
you guys have been very critical of the paul ryan budget calling it the ryan/romney budget. do you believe that paul ryan is, in fact, motivated by a devier to balance the budget, to cut def set, debt, or do you really believe that he is, in fact, out to protect the wealthy? >> i think he has a theory. i like paul ryan. i met him on your set and joe was standing there, we had a great chat. he's an affable guy, a good person. i have no -- i have nothing personal against paul ryan. he is an...
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>> at least in the house, like paul ryan, the $11 trillion man, at least paul ryan passes a budget. >> thank you, paul. >> thank you for the $11 trillion in additional debt. what does reid do? >> in this case he represented the interests of his caucus and signed off on a deal that got the democrats a ton of stuff. >> okay. again, i don't fault mitch mcconnell -- >> nobody got to hurricane sandy relief. >> dealing with a democratic senate. >> he could have full builibust the whole thing. >> and tax rates would have gone up on everybody. >> mitch mcconnell chose to be a quiet statesman. you didn't see him on camera. quietly, mitch mcconnell is the reason we have this agreement. he's a great strategy. i'd like to know his view of entitlement reform. maybe he's got some idea about how this gives them more leverage in the next round. >> come on, be positive. it's a new year. >> i don't expect much from republican senators. i love them. i love them. i don't expect them to be fiscal hawks. >> he's so difficult usually so there must have been a deal cut. he's so difficult. he's impossible. >>
>> at least in the house, like paul ryan, the $11 trillion man, at least paul ryan passes a budget. >> thank you, paul. >> thank you for the $11 trillion in additional debt. what does reid do? >> in this case he represented the interests of his caucus and signed off on a deal that got the democrats a ton of stuff. >> okay. again, i don't fault mitch mcconnell -- >> nobody got to hurricane sandy relief. >> dealing with a democratic senate. >> he...
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what does paul ryan do? what does kelly ayotte do? they have come out and supported the khan family but not repudiated donald trump. do we get to a point in the next few days or weeks where they come out and revoke their endorsements for him? >> is it revoking your endorsement or do we see a new conversation that republicans start having and ask him to withdraw? this is where you're just -- it seems to be him against the entire republican party now. yesterday morning we led "first read" with the phrase that used the word unraveling. donald trump's campaign is unraveling before our eyes particularly his relationship with the republican party. that was 24 hours ago before he went out of his way to not endorse john mccain and not endorse paul ryan and went out of his way to challenge kelly ayotte. whatever that interview was that i couldn't stop reading at points last night. i cannot wait for the secret state strategy. >> what happens? >> i don't know what the rules are. i think you do that, is that the easiest thing to do? my guess is t
what does paul ryan do? what does kelly ayotte do? they have come out and supported the khan family but not repudiated donald trump. do we get to a point in the next few days or weeks where they come out and revoke their endorsements for him? >> is it revoking your endorsement or do we see a new conversation that republicans start having and ask him to withdraw? this is where you're just -- it seems to be him against the entire republican party now. yesterday morning we led "first...
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ryan is unbelievable. >> didn't do anything to paul ryan. >> yes, you did. you're an embarrass document our party. why don't you get out before you make a bigger fool of yourself. >> sorry you feel that way. >> is that iowa nice? who is that guy? >> at least he shook his hand while he was -- >> you're thinking that shaking the hand and he wasn't letting it go. >> my god, iowa nice. >> that's terrible. >> that was awful. >> let's show it again. >> no. i don't want to see it. no, no, no, i don't want to see it again. >> i didn't catch the end of it. >> it was so awkward and it just kept going. >> what you just did to paul ryan is unforgivable. >> i didn't do anything to paul ryan. >> yes, you did you undercut him in the house. you're an embarrassment to our party. >> i'm sorry you feel that way. >> why don't you get out before you make a bigger fool of yourself. >> bigger fool of yourself, that's what he said. i didn't get the end of it. >> i'm not sure. can we roll it again? >> no, no. meanwhile, everyone -- it's ridiculous, we have to get to tiffany's, too,
ryan is unbelievable. >> didn't do anything to paul ryan. >> yes, you did. you're an embarrass document our party. why don't you get out before you make a bigger fool of yourself. >> sorry you feel that way. >> is that iowa nice? who is that guy? >> at least he shook his hand while he was -- >> you're thinking that shaking the hand and he wasn't letting it go. >> my god, iowa nice. >> that's terrible. >> that was awful. >> let's show...
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he does need paul ryan and paul ryan's followers. >> i think the bigger problem for paul ryan is he wants to run for president four years from now and paul sr. and a lot of other billionaires are not beginning to be pleased when he runs over to donald trump's arm. so this is about 2020 now as much as it's about 2016. he's got to handle this right. >> yeah, it will be interesting to see how they bridge that divide and what donald trump has to do to get paul ryan on board or starts attacking him more. i agree. >> those are both very good. >> the lyen ryan was probably better. i u actually think there is an agenda issue. when donald trump chose those words i can't support his agenda, you get to something fundamental. he supports free trade deals and his whole life is about balancing the budget. those are the two principles that he's stood behind since he's been in office and what he's defined his career as. and they are not what donald trump supports. there is a fairly major policy difference. but for the republicans who are not frankly the kind of second tier republican who is have come out
he does need paul ryan and paul ryan's followers. >> i think the bigger problem for paul ryan is he wants to run for president four years from now and paul sr. and a lot of other billionaires are not beginning to be pleased when he runs over to donald trump's arm. so this is about 2020 now as much as it's about 2016. he's got to handle this right. >> yeah, it will be interesting to see how they bridge that divide and what donald trump has to do to get paul ryan on board or starts...
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i'm a big paul ryan fan and i think paul should run. i hope he does run. i'm very interested though in the stage craft of all this as somebody that was involved in a few leadership fights and a few fights to run speakers out of town. i don't know that i would have done it quiet that way. i think you do it quietly and behind the scenes and you don't have danielle webster and others talk about how he's been anoted king. maybe that's the only way paul ryan wanted to do it. luke has been up all night following this. obviously, there is some push back from the freedom caucus. is he going to get what he wants? >> right now, joe, i think it's difficult to say a definitive yes. the reason being it was really put off how paul ryan walked into the room and said this is what i'm going to do. get on board or get out. they viewed that similar to what they dealt with in the past with boehner in terms of leadership and this idea it's going to be an approach instead of a bottom up. i think it's not a resounding yes to say where we stand now paul ryan will be the speaker c
i'm a big paul ryan fan and i think paul should run. i hope he does run. i'm very interested though in the stage craft of all this as somebody that was involved in a few leadership fights and a few fights to run speakers out of town. i don't know that i would have done it quiet that way. i think you do it quietly and behind the scenes and you don't have danielle webster and others talk about how he's been anoted king. maybe that's the only way paul ryan wanted to do it. luke has been up all...
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very impressed with paul ryan being open. look, we're not going to have a situation in my view where we have a republican speaker that presides over a convention and doesn't support the nominee. nor can we afford in the fall campaign with so much at stake to have our nominee and our speaker on having a major riff. the political, going to have to succeed, awfully competitive and awfully close fall election. >> congressman is kevin durant going to re-sign with the thunder? >> absolutely. no doubt about that. this is washington fantastic sichlt we love him and love his mom and want to keep them in oklahoma city where they belong. >> some of us want him to come home. >> hey, eugene, he is home. >> fighting words. >> okay, guys. thank you so much. always great to have you on the show. thank you. still ahead on "morning joe," most political analysts marvel at the data driven tactics that obama campaign was able to pull off to get elected. one person not impressed, donald trump. julie pace joins us with her interview with the republ
very impressed with paul ryan being open. look, we're not going to have a situation in my view where we have a republican speaker that presides over a convention and doesn't support the nominee. nor can we afford in the fall campaign with so much at stake to have our nominee and our speaker on having a major riff. the political, going to have to succeed, awfully competitive and awfully close fall election. >> congressman is kevin durant going to re-sign with the thunder? >>...
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ryan, paul ryan -- paul ryan, think about this, the guy who i think -- >> our great hope, yes. >> -- is the reap's great hope, is an honest, good -- >> principled. >> -- principled man of character. the "washington post" says this: on thursday mr. ryan capitulated to ugliness. it was a sad day for the speaker, for his party and for all americans who hoped that some republican leaders would have the fortitude to put principle over partisanship, job security or the forlorn fantasy that mr. trump will advance a traditional gop agenda. >> this is so sad. what -- i mean -- >> he started it yesterday. >> if he had a good reason i want to hear t i'm all for t i'm all for those meaningful conversations leading to something and hearing something really good from donald trump about what exactly he's going to do to lead the party forward or help make america great again. tell me what it was, paul ryan, because you just sold out. you just completely sold out. >> in fairness mitch mcconnell said it was the judges. he sat here tuesday -- >> mitch mcconnell said it was the judges and i said to him
ryan, paul ryan -- paul ryan, think about this, the guy who i think -- >> our great hope, yes. >> -- is the reap's great hope, is an honest, good -- >> principled. >> -- principled man of character. the "washington post" says this: on thursday mr. ryan capitulated to ugliness. it was a sad day for the speaker, for his party and for all americans who hoped that some republican leaders would have the fortitude to put principle over partisanship, job security or...
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paul ryan still. this has potential to be a show and not in the way donald trump hopes it will be. >> john mccain, mitt romney, george w. bush, george h.w. bush, all of them said they will not be attending convention center. mccain says that's because he's got a primary he's fighting august 30th. what is the impact of all this, though? does it actually matter to donald trump these people are not in the room that week? >> i think on the one hand he's able to say, once again, look, the party elite is rejecting me and that's fine. i'm not one of them. i'm not a typical politician, i'm not an ordinary politician, that's fine. but you run the cold, hard numbers of it, it's not good for donald trump. you're a republican running for president, you want support of around 90, 95% of your own party. right now donald trump is hovering somewhere in the mid-80s. he's a candidate with margin for error because of the trouble with women, hispanics, blacks. he doesn't have a lot of cushion there. >> jeremy, donny deut
paul ryan still. this has potential to be a show and not in the way donald trump hopes it will be. >> john mccain, mitt romney, george w. bush, george h.w. bush, all of them said they will not be attending convention center. mccain says that's because he's got a primary he's fighting august 30th. what is the impact of all this, though? does it actually matter to donald trump these people are not in the room that week? >> i think on the one hand he's able to say, once again, look,...
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why isn't paul ryan? >> well, i think he is. let me just finish the thought because it's taking longer than it should to come out because of sleep deprivation. just give me a break. what they can do now is binary. they can either leave their endorsement in place or revoke it but there is no curtain number three. what they all have to do is decide -- chris christie whatever you think of the choice doubled down in his support for donald trump. he was there all day yesterday helping him with the statement that went out, with the speech last night. whatever you think of these moves, he has made his bed, he's lying in it. mark kirk chose the other path, revoked his, lynd yarks graham revoked -- >> what do you think of the choice. >> there's a third choice. >> what is the third choice? >> the third choice is this. donald, guess what, i'm not going to support you until you get your act together. you're acting like bush league loser, racist, bigot. this is called art of the deal. i'm taking my deal off the table.
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we're going to have to -- >> let me just say, paul ryan -- i've got to say, paul ryan's plan, there are a lot of things in it that concern me. i'm not in love with that plan. i like that he put everything on the table. i'm saying as a negotiator, this doesn't seem to make sense. >> we've got to hear his reaction. >> i don't understand the calculus. maybe he just wanted to be tough and he wanted to kill the base, and say, you're going to be dealing with me. this is it. >> i think that's exactly what people have been calling for. actually. even on -- >> ensalting people. inviting people over and insulteding, in front of, that was a stupid political move, mika. you know it was a stupid political move. he was playing to his base. and actually i know this is sort of washington -- >> really? >> it's sort of backwards. >> yeah. >> but i think what's happened is, this is the president playing to his base, because he knows he's going to end up negotiating with ryan. i just don't think it's a smart thing to do. but, i don't know. maybe. maybe we should invite people into our office and just insul
we're going to have to -- >> let me just say, paul ryan -- i've got to say, paul ryan's plan, there are a lot of things in it that concern me. i'm not in love with that plan. i like that he put everything on the table. i'm saying as a negotiator, this doesn't seem to make sense. >> we've got to hear his reaction. >> i don't understand the calculus. maybe he just wanted to be tough and he wanted to kill the base, and say, you're going to be dealing with me. this is it. >>...
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. >> seriously, paul ryan is in shock. >> paul ryan endorsed him last week. >> he didn't expect this! >> how could he have ever expect this? >> yeah, that's what he said, out of left field. >> boom, what happened! donald trump said something that was racially insensitive. >> he didn't have to do the endorsement, but he did. >> donald trump continued to attack the federal judge over saying the trump university case for his ethnicity. take a listen. >> he's a mexican. we're building a wall between here and mexico. this judge is giving us unfair rulings. now i say, why? well, i'm building a wall, okay? and it's a wall between mexico. not another country. >> but he's not from mexico. he's from indiana. >> in my opinion -- he has mexican heritage and he's very proud of it. >> if you are saying he can't do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism? >> no, i don't think so at all. >> no? >> no. he's proud of his heritage. i respect him for that. >> you're say he can't do his job because of that. >> look, he's proud of his heritage, okay? i'm building a wall. >> why --
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>> i'm very sorry. >> to paul ryan. >> he's nice to you. >> i really like paul ryan. >> you said that five times, which scares me for paul ryan. he's not a baby. very young guy, but we all agree. time to move on. >> yeah. >> mark? >> ain't going to happen. >> okay. >>> when we come back, we're going do bring in maryland governor martin o'malley who found a non-wisconsin way to balance his state's budget. he also had some sharp words for new jersey governor chris christie. that's next. >>> also, in a year when passover and easter share the same week, we're going to talk to steve roberts about living with two religions in one household. but first, here's your weekend forecast with bill karins. >>> we had violent storms last night. this comes from oklahoma, three tornadoes rotating around one large circulation. very rare, multiple vortex tornado. this unfortunately this one was deadly in southern oklahoma. incredible video. severe weather rolling through louisiana and mississippi. tornado warnings along interstate 20 headed outside monroe, louisiana. if you know anyone or you live in ala
>> i'm very sorry. >> to paul ryan. >> he's nice to you. >> i really like paul ryan. >> you said that five times, which scares me for paul ryan. he's not a baby. very young guy, but we all agree. time to move on. >> yeah. >> mark? >> ain't going to happen. >> okay. >>> when we come back, we're going do bring in maryland governor martin o'malley who found a non-wisconsin way to balance his state's budget. he also had some sharp words...
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you're a big fan of paul ryans. you think he helped you out in new york 26. >> this week, i'm a big fan of medicare, what helped us out in new york 26, what elected a democrat in one of the strongest conservative districts in the country was medicare. voters made a decision they did not want to elect a member of congress that would vote to end medicare. >> when you say end made care, is paul ryan trying to end medicare? >> yeah, look, no spin, tune out all the commercials and funds, tune it all out, all you have to do is read the republican budget. it says we will terminate the guaranteed medicare benefit, instead turn it into a voucher program. if you're a senior citizen get sick right now, go to your doctor, the federal government will reimburse the doctor. you take your voucher coupon and the insurance company decides what they will pay and won't pay and you get stuck with the big $6400 bill, all to fund tax cuts for big oil companies. >> is that what he did, woke up and said to his wife -- come on. i like you bu
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number two, what is paul ryan's role here and how can paul ryan tolerate 245 behavior on the part of the one of his committee chairs? >> well, he shouldn't. and i don't know what recusal means if congressman nunes is the example of recusal. because as you point out, he seems to have been continually involved in one way or another in the russian investigation when with he said he was not going to be and would step aside. what can the speaker do? the speaker can ultimately remove him as chairman of the committee and at least at the very least assure that recusal means recusal. recusal means not being involved. recusal means not trying to influence what is going on with respect to the committee's oversight of what russia's role was in the election and what danger they caused to us. it's a very disappointing that the speaker doesn't act or that nuness has acted notwithstanding his pledge of recutsal because f close involvement with the white house. >> would you seem to be calling for the removal of congressman nunes from that committee? >> you asked what the speaker could do. >> i'm aski
number two, what is paul ryan's role here and how can paul ryan tolerate 245 behavior on the part of the one of his committee chairs? >> well, he shouldn't. and i don't know what recusal means if congressman nunes is the example of recusal. because as you point out, he seems to have been continually involved in one way or another in the russian investigation when with he said he was not going to be and would step aside. what can the speaker do? the speaker can ultimately remove him as...
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ryan, you know i love paul ryan. i love the guy. but the only thing he does as far as wisconsin goes is he puts it in the pennsylvania category which i've always called fool's gold for republicans. mitt romney is not going to win wisconsin. >> if you look at 2004 and 2000 the margins in those two elections in the kerry -- kerry and gore lost very, very -- won very, very narrowly. 2008 was a little bit of an outlier. wisconsin is probably a more gettable state, i'm not saying it's gettable, but probably a more gettable state than michigan. >> a more gettable state if you don't have mitt romney's personality. >> i totally agree. i'm with you as far as out of reach as pennsylvania. ryan helps him a little bit there. again they picked the right senate candidate the republicans did. >> chris christie -- >> there's a pretty strong ticket in wisconsin but i don't know -- let's wait and see if the romney campaign starts spending money in wisconsin. the moment they start spending money in wisconsin. they're not spending money
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deal with paul, paul ryan, someone who is intellect, he respects. they had a chilly, short conversation. the president said if you're going to get what you want, you need -- it was definitely a mars and venus conversation what people were looking at in an era of good feelings. >> the quote that congressman mccarthy gave us after the encounter about the president, he is still a law professor and would rather lecture you and put a red mark on your paper than talk with you. >> very different styles. >> mike allen with a look at the playbook behind the scenes. thanks, mike. >> have a good week. >>> coming up next their last name is their bond. two members of the kelly gang join us next. oney for a good cause kelly here and talk a little football too. more "morning joe" when we come back. ♪ i looked across the river today saw a city in the fog and where sea gulls play ♪ dad: you'll be fine, ok? girl: ok. dad: you look so pretty. ♪ i'm overprotective. that's why i got a subaru. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. because all these whole grains
deal with paul, paul ryan, someone who is intellect, he respects. they had a chilly, short conversation. the president said if you're going to get what you want, you need -- it was definitely a mars and venus conversation what people were looking at in an era of good feelings. >> the quote that congressman mccarthy gave us after the encounter about the president, he is still a law professor and would rather lecture you and put a red mark on your paper than talk with you. >> very...